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Why is the Blank Show slot suffering from poor attendance...

Posted: July 21st, 2006, 5:18 pm
by kbadr
Could it be because the calendar of events on AustinImprov.com doesn't even list it as a show?

What's up with that?

Who's in charge here?
Where's my Captains Waifers?
Don't go 'round hungry now.
The way you eat that Oatmeal Pie just makes me wanna DIE.

Posted: July 21st, 2006, 6:01 pm
by HerrHerr
The blank show makes me want to walk like a camel.

Posted: July 22nd, 2006, 3:33 am
by ChrisTrew.Com
Can't we edit the events ourselves?

Re: Why is the Blank Show slot suffering from poor attendanc

Posted: July 22nd, 2006, 3:43 am
by shksprtx
kbadr wrote:Could it be because the calendar of events on AustinImprov.com doesn't even list it as a show?

What's up with that?

Who's in charge here?
Where's my Captains Waifers?
Don't go 'round hungry now.
The way you eat that Oatmeal Pie just makes me wanna DIE.
I do NOT, repeat, NOT want to see you eat that there snack cracker in your "special outfit."

Posted: July 22nd, 2006, 4:02 am
by beardedlamb
president.

Re: Why is the Blank Show slot suffering from poor attendanc

Posted: July 22nd, 2006, 2:09 pm
by nadine
kbadr wrote:Could it be because the calendar of events on AustinImprov.com doesn't even list it as a show?

What's up with that?
I thought anyone can edit that.

Re: Why is the Blank Show slot suffering from poor attendanc

Posted: July 22nd, 2006, 11:53 pm
by kbadr
nadine wrote:I thought anyone can edit that.

That's not the point. The point is that it's ambiguous whose responsibility the online calendar is, and this time slot slipped through the cracks. We need to make sure that doesn't happen anymore.

Posted: July 23rd, 2006, 1:03 am
by taminelson
let's start talking about responsibility.
there have been some times when balls have been dropped for mysterious reasons (coldtowne missed a host night and we have never let ourselves forget how assholey that is [sorry a million times, it will never happen again]).

it's a shame things fall thru the cracks when so many people are working so hard.

what's the solution?


i vote for some one being a hard nosed control freak who over sees the collective.



o, that doesn't make it a collective anymore does it...


hum.

i know this has been discussed a million times....but...who do we go to when things like.....

ex:
last night in the cage match we had no one there to get our backs in the tech booth. so, chis and i had to ask jastroch to do tech. which wasn't a huge deal, he did it unflinching...nonetheless, why did the performers have to stress about tech for the cage match 5 minutes before the show started?

growing pains, sure. but let's find solutions before this kind of stuff becomes passable.

do i tell andy?
do i tcb by myself?

who's in charge here?

Re: Why is the Blank Show slot suffering from poor attendanc

Posted: July 23rd, 2006, 1:49 am
by nadine
kbadr wrote:
nadine wrote:I thought anyone can edit that.

That's not the point. The point is that it's ambiguous whose responsibility the online calendar is, and this time slot slipped through the cracks. We need to make sure that doesn't happen anymore.
Then have a list of roles of responsibilities and who owns them.
And bitchslap the person when they drop the ball.

It doesn't have to be one person. Even a VP has to delegate.

Or do the collective idealism thing which is, if you're in a show, make sure it shows up in the websites.

If the cage match last night didn't have tech, it's the fault of the host troupes. I don't know that we need to designate one specific person to be the "bad cop", especially when that "bad cop" doesn't have the ability to cause punishment (not allowing troupe to be scheduled, etc). In this case, the scheduling committee can decide if they want to enforce punishments when a host troupe doesn't show up. This problem has came up before in AIC meetings, and nothing was decided.

If we go the non-collective route and choose a "president" for the AIC, we need to think long and hard about it, instead of doing it because we're annoyed people aren't being responsible and want someone else to do the bitchslapping/accountability stuff for them. And what kind of power does the president get? Just to bitch slap and punish? Maybe what we need is less of that and more just a Program Manager for AIC.

Coming from the corporate world, I really would like to see some hippy collective idealism actually succeed...

nadine.

Posted: July 23rd, 2006, 2:24 am
by acrouch
Well, the lack of host troupes on Friday is a combination of the fact that in the schedule it reads "July 21: One Too and Knuckleball Now and NEED VOLUNTEERS". So two out of three Knuckleballs were out of town, but Craig showed up to host/support the 8:00 and 10:00 shows. And Valerie (One Too) was actually performing in the 8:00 and 11:30. And we never resolved the NEED VOLUNTEERS.

I'm not in any way saying that the scheduling committee did a bad job -- I think the scheduling committee does one of the best jobs around here and deserves mad props for their work. Offering eight shows a weekend and supporting the three Friday shows is a lot of time and energy for however many people we are. We've got a long way to go towards becoming as professional and organized as we need to be to blow this thing up, and how we navigate that is probably what will make or break us over the next year.

I imagine we'll be talking about this at the meeting on Sunday. For the record I don't think a punishment system is the way to go. Let's find positive ways of becoming more accountable to each other. What if we all bought the Hideout together? I bet that would make some shit happen. Everybody got $50,000?

Posted: July 23rd, 2006, 1:13 pm
by sara farr
If we had an apartment complex/theatre, I could justify increasing my rent a bit to support comedy.

Or what about Credit Cards that support the AIC? With every purchase, a bit of your money would go to the AIC. HA! I love that idea!!! How many people are wasting their CC credits on things like extra microwaves or blenders?

:-)
Sara

Posted: July 23rd, 2006, 1:34 pm
by Andy P
The hosting duties should be looked at by a team with the same importance as a show, because you ARE part of the show. You're just not performing. If a team is short on people for a performance they would either try to switch the schedule with another troupe or get other people outside of their team to play with them, so why shouldn't that be the case with hosting duties? If you look at the schedule, hosting duties are highlighted to indicate its importance.

The "Need Volunteers" issue can be taken care of by indicating who is responsible for getting those volunteers. As it is now, I don't know how to read the "Need Volunteers" part of the schedule. Does it mean:

1. If you want to help out, please email the scheduling committee.
2. Please look for an email later or check the boards for a call for additional volunteers.
3. Host team(s) please secure additional people to help you host that evening.

In any case, the scheduling committee should be notified at least a week in advance with the names of the volunteers so they can update the schedule, and we will all know that hosting duties are taken care of.

Posted: July 24th, 2006, 11:30 am
by arclight
http://schedule.austinimprov.com/ still works.

What I mean by that is not that some baffling web-based doodad functions as designed, it means that we once had a system that solved this precise problem. Not a technical system, a social system; the web doodad just handled the bookkeeping and communications.

Backstory: There was a time when Micetro scheduling was a fucking trainwreck. Out of the people that showed up, a few would be sacrificed to work tech or host. If you're in a mindset to play and have been looking forward to it all week, it's really demoralizing to get cut or shoved in the booth. Sometimes we'd either have too few people and have to change format at the last minute or we'd have too many and the director would have to be a bastard and cut someone then and there. Even worse was when That Guy Who Should Not Be Onstage, Ever would show up with 4-6 coworkers and you'd have to let him play because of all the shitty beer his toothless cohorts bought (strangely, this was also That Guy Who Was Unavailable To Run Lights, Ever.) Combine all this - we were never sure who was playing, if we had tech, or who that tech was - and that spells trainwreck.

I felt this was unfair to both the cast and the audience and it really pissed me off that it was totally and completely avoidable. So when I ended up managing Micetro, I created a tool where I put in all the upcoming events and all the jobs I needed filled, created a list of regular players, and had people submit their availability whenever they felt like it (via the web, or email, or in person.) On Monday I'd mail out a call for availability and by Thursday I mailed out a draft roster to the people scheduled plus a link to the current roster for the show. It was web-accessible so you could always see the lastest incarnation; some people check the web more than their email or vice versa so it was important to have both. A bonus was that the scheduler acted as a giant address book so I always had contact info for people, plus people updated their own info so it was self-maintaining (the incentive was that you kept your contact info current or you didn't get notified of upcoming shows & calls for availability.)

As a manager, I felt pretty comfortable because I knew that I had all the roles filled at least 48 hours before showtime, giving people plenty of time to line up replacements if something came up in the interim. I could schedule the flaky and hopeless people less and track who'd done tech recently and rotate people into the light booth for fairness. People who submitted their availability on Monday were more likely to be scheduled to play than people who submitted on Thursday so there was incentive to send in availability earlier and thus make my job easier.

The result was that everyone knew what they were doing and that the show was fully staffed which let people stop worrying and focus on performance. There were still problems with That Unstageworthy Bozo and the occasional last-minute flake-out, but those were exceptions; overall from a production standpoint the shows ran much more calmly and smoothly for nine months than they had before.

Then I bailed and we don't do that anymore.

To summarize:
  • Constant, avoidable chaos is unprofessional, and personally destructive , contributing to crappy shows and cast burnout; therefore,
  • Chaos should be exceptional and saved for the stage.
  • People need to be held individually accountable; to wit,
  • Each show needs a owner (manager) who oversees staffing, production, etc.
  • The further in advance people know their responsibilities, the more time they have to arrange replacements or let the show manager know; so,
  • Information (availability, rosters, etc.) needs to be easily available to everyone who needs it
  • Using both 'push' and 'pull' media (email & web), we can accomodate people's different communication styles.
  • A scheduling database has additional uses
    • the event calendar can be exported to advertise shows
    • the contact list can be used as an address book
    • you can track who has flaked out and who has taken on support roles and reschedule people as appropriate
    • If attendance and receipts are tracked, we can measure the success of our shows and slots, marketing campaigns, etc.
Aside: I believe that having a host troupe diffuses responsibility and communications (quick: name the primary point-of-contact for all the troupes you know of. Now name the secondary PoC because the primary is out of town.) It doesn't take into account the sizes of troupes and people's other responsibilities (say you're a parent and/or you're in three troupes...) Finally, tech and support roles can be filled by non- or not-yet-performing volunteers to help grow the organization. I understand the desire to have member troupes support the theater as a whole, but it sounds like this isn't working.

If my feelings got hurt every time I suggested a piece of software to help solve a social problem and people looked at me like I just offered to stuff a blender in their ass, I'd have given up years ago. The software I built worked for me and the Micetro cast three years ago; the only reason I built it was because at the time I couldn't find anything that did what I needed. There might be something better now, but as I said, the software is secondary. It's just a tool. What really made things work was the combination of ownership, individual responsibility, clear and early communication in both directions, and active participation by the cast.

I haven't seen solutions based on hand-wringing, horse-whipping, or hippy-dippy wishful thinking work. Give me a show roster 24 hours before showtime and confirmation (verbal, email, whatever) from each person that they'll be there and I'm happy. YMMV.

Posted: July 24th, 2006, 12:07 pm
by arclight
Oh, two more things:

First, the message boards are great for brainstorming or (anti)social banter. They are absolutely for shit as a scheduling, calendaring, or task tracking tool. Like email, they're slightly better than nothing.

Second, I'm convinced that the AIC needs a presiding officer to keep order at meetings. Beyond that, I have serious doubts that a more traditional 'president' would make things better. They'll either crack the whip and piss people off or (worse) everyone will realize they don't really have a whip to crack.

We haven't even decided what constitutes membership in this organization - what are they going to do, throw someone out of an organization that has no actual members? Take away their as-yet-to-be-defined privileges? Put them on Double Secret Probation?

Once that happens, it'll be clear that the position of president exists so people can blame one person for all the problems in the organization without addressing the underlying problems of shows not having owners/champions, weak personnel scheduling and communication, lack of personal accountability, or even knowing what the rights and responsibilities of being an AIC member really are.

Oh, and what happens when the president doesn't do his or her job? Have someone watch over them and crack the whip? Lather, rinse, repeat.

I see two problems that are conflated together:
  1. tasks that need to be performed for this organization to function (show tech, calendar updating, flyering, etc.) are not being completed, partly because of lack of oversight and partly because there nobody has been specifically assigned to perform the tasks
  2. meetings need to be better organized and run so we don't waste an afternoon arguing with nothing being decided.
I don't believe that one person can solve both those problems, especially one with no real executive authority. Shows need owners and the monthly meeting needs rules and a referee; until we get those, I don't see a president being anything more than glorified whipping boy.