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Yeah - it smells of JR's dream to me. (That's a "Dallas" reference, children.) A flashy do-over that gives the writers a chance to start over, now that they've decided what to do with the series ... I hope.

I do wanna say that the best moment of the episode was when they reveal that Locke was STILL in the coffin all along and this other Locke is very likely the smoke monster. Very good move.

I agree with a Asaf though, it' s a bad play on the writers part to reveal all at once that "Oh, by the way, Jacob was there all along too. See? See how we're smart?"

LuBu McJohnson wrote:Locke was STILL in the coffin all along and this other Locke is very likely the smoke monster.

Their dialog "sub pedestal" clearly revealed that he's the guy who was on the beach with Jacob when the sailing ship was on the horizon. It's all about their battle for supremacy - or to prove alternate theories about mankind.

Kathy Rose Center wrote:

LuBu McJohnson wrote:Locke was STILL in the coffin all along and this other Locke is very likely the smoke monster.

Their dialog "sub pedestal" clearly revealed that he's the guy who was on the beach with Jacob when the sailing ship was on the horizon. It's all about their battle for supremacy - or to prove alternate theories about mankind.

Wel yeah, but he's the smoke monster too. Think about it.

Kathy Rose Center wrote:(That's a "Dallas" reference, children.)

I'd understand the need to explain a somewhat dated reference, but that's one of the MOST notorious moments of television history. That and dreams of an autistic child...

I don't get all this poo-poo, y'all. That was my favorite season finale. It's given me much to think about and discuss. From Egyptian gods to the slippery slope ambiguity of good guys and bad guys to who-the-hell-is-that-guy who's not Jacob to what the hell is the oncoming war, and still other things beyond those.

Another reason why I definitely prefer the season 5 finale over the season 4 finale is that the season 4 seemed like a whole lot of bombastic action with very little character moments that I cared about. (I had been spoiled by the awesome Charlie death the year before).

This one had one of my favorite moments ever, where they were all hovering around Jack while he was about to drop the detonator down the hole. I thought that was amazing, the way it cut to all their eyes as they were thinking, "I don't want to die, and this might not even work, and if it DOES work, I'm not sure I want to forget everything that's happened to me these last years, but I still feel sure we're doing the right thing by exploding a nuclear (fucking) bomb."

Add to that the heart-rending scene with Juliet, and there's a totally solid character ending that's more layered and interesting to me than a disappearing island and Sawyer jumping out of the chopper.

I could go on (like, ALL of the non-flashback Locke scenes in season 5 were in fact not Locke! That's wow!!).

Loved it, y'all.

It was like a microcosm of the past five seasons -- people doing shit for reasons that don't make a lot of sense and then changing their minds multiple times for reasons that make even less sense. Oh, and justifying the bullshit that didn't make sense and then was never made sense of with more half-baked nonsense.

And yet, if they had just shown us the consequences of the bomb going off, I might have been almost okay with it. I just want answers and all we got in two hours were more questions. I feel like a hostage.

acrouch wrote:And yet, if they had just shown us the consequences of the bomb going off, I might have been almost okay with it. I just want answers and all we got in two hours were more questions. I feel like a hostage.

Yes, they have this "wonderful" strategy of answering questions with at least two more questions. Sooner or later, they have to wind that down. Yes, they are doing big reveals, but not explaining much in the process.

Jeff wrote:I could go on (like, ALL of the non-flashback Locke scenes in season 5 were in fact not Locke! That's wow!!).

I happened to catch an old episode last night on the Sci-Fi channel, in which the big black priest, Eko, was looking for his drug-smuggling brother who had crashed in the small aircraft carrying the little madonna figurines containing the heroin that Charlie had found ... but before Eko was smashed to smithereens by the Smoke Monster, he saw his dead brother, who said, "you talk to me as if I were your brother, but I am not."

So, I'm thinking that NONE of the "dead people walking" that we have ever seen are re-embodiments of the people who died.

Kathy Rose Center wrote:So, I'm thinking that NONE of the "dead people walking" that we have ever seen are re-embodiments of the people who died.

I think you're right. Alex appearing to her father Ben and forcing him to do everything John Locke says is the prelude to Ben following "John's" order to deal with Jakob. But then, if Jakob's enemy is possessing Alex's body at that moment, what was happening with Locke in the tunnels behind her? Could be it's not a body possession thing and more of a physical imitation after "taking snapshots" as the smoke monster.

itanio wrote:

Kathy Rose Center wrote:So, I'm thinking that NONE of the "dead people walking" that we have ever seen are re-embodiments of the people who died.

I think you're right. Alex appearing to her father Ben and forcing him to do everything John Locke says is the prelude to Ben following "John's" order to deal with Jakob. But then, if Jakob's enemy is possessing Alex's body at that moment, what was happening with Locke in the tunnels behind her? Could be it's not a body possession thing and more of a physical imitation after "taking snapshots" as the smoke monster.

Maybe. But there's clearly information we still just don't have, like, remember when Claire and Christian were in the Jacob cabin together, and Claire was saying she's all right? I wonder if that was Jacob's Nemesis/Christian and Jacob's Nemesis/Claire, or if it was actually living Claire, or if there are more people allied with Jacob's Nemesis and there were two of them in the cabin in that scene. Or maybe they were both the non-Jacob guy. Wait, I already said that.

bradisntclever wrote:

Kathy Rose Center wrote:(That's a "Dallas" reference, children.)

I'd understand the need to explain a somewhat dated reference, but that's one of the MOST notorious moments of television history. That and dreams of an autistic child...

I just peed myself.

I think we're getting away from the main topic here -- the fact that CEEJ OWES JEFF ONE (1) BEER.



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hujhax wrote:I think we're getting away from the main topic here -- the fact that CEEJ OWES JEFF ONE (1) BEER.

True. I mean, if we can agree that the hydrogen bomb went off, and that detonated hydrogen bombs always kill people who are in their immediate vicinity (if those people are not protected by refrigerators), and that our circa '77 heroes were in the hydrogen bomb's immediate vicinity (sans the shelter of a refrigerator), then we can agree that those people were killed and Ceej owes me a beer.

Asaf wrote:I mean to go from reviving Locke after his fall with a touch and pulling Sayid aside while his wife is run down to giving good tidings at a wedding and handing a candy bar and lame advice about how "sometimes you have to push it". It was just ridiculous. After a while I didn't need to see him popping up everywhere. They turned Jakob into Waldo or that money you could have saved from Geico.

It didn't feel like he was there to actually influence things (well, except for Locke, that was drastic, unless Locke just happened to open his eyes at that moment), and more as a witness to significant life events. Like it was their own decisions, desires, conflicts, whatever... life changing moments that would define their futures... and he was there not to change shit, but just touch them and seal their fate or something.