L O S T fans!

[happywaffle]

Insanely catty article from the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/arts/ ... 1lost.html

Executive summary: "Lost sucks, and if you're engrossed in the show's mythology, it's just your self-justification for continuing to watch it."

[Rev. Jordan T. Maxwell]

Did it ever actually say they were burning? All I caught was that they were in the fire, and when the fire goes out, so does he.

that was my read on it as well.

Insanely catty article from the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/arts/ ... 1lost.html

Executive summary: "Lost sucks, and if you're engrossed in the show's mythology, it's just your self-justification for continuing to watch it."

wow...that was possibly the most petulant and pretentious critique of petulance and pretention i've ever read. the headline may as well have been "Provocative Opinion to Prove We're Relevant."

i'm not saying every episode's been perfect, and i've had plenty of problems with structure and pacing with various episodes (and occasionally multi-episode arcs), but the performances have been brilliant, the direction and framing gorgeous and the music some of the most moving and haunting scoring on television.

or i guess i'm just blinded because i want to find out what happened to Walt (i don't. :p).

[happywaffle]

Walt had his little "happily ever after" moment with Locke, I don't care anything about him afterwards.

I *am* curious why he was so "special" early on, but it might be hand-wavey explainable as him just being a potential candidate, in the same way Alpert tested Young Locke.

[LuBu McJohnson]

Walt had his little "happily ever after" moment with Locke, I don't care anything about him afterwards.

I *am* curious why he was so "special" early on, but it might be hand-wavey explainable as him just being a potential candidate, in the same way Alpert tested Young Locke.

The information from "Across The Sea" is probably going to be the most we're gonna get involving Walt. The idea that the Man In Black is also "special" place him, Locke, and Walt all in the same group. Walt seemed to be as sought-after by the others as young Locke.

[happywaffle]

In which case you wonder why they let him go (I remember it was the prisoner exchange, but were the others more important to the Others than Walt?).

[Rev. Jordan T. Maxwell]

In which case you wonder why they let him go (I remember it was the prisoner exchange, but were the others more important to the Others than Walt?).

there's some ancillary but canonical material, a series of mobisodes that first ran online and are, i believe, on the season 4 boxed set, one of which shows the difficulties the Others had with Walt and how they actually wound up biting off more than they could chew. he seemed to have some array of psychic abilities, foremost being the ability to unconsciously summon animals that he's thinking about (the polar bear in Hurley's comic book, the bird in his textbook) and some form of prescience. so they wanted him because he was special, but he turned out to be a little TOO special for them to handle so the opportunity to exchange him as part of Ben's manipulations was very win/win for them.

my only real Walt question anymore is, was that actually Walt in the visions people had of him (Shannon and Sayid when he was wet and talking backwards, Locke after Ben shot him at the Dharma pit)? every other manifestation we've seen has been of the dead...either their actual ghosts, or Smokey posing as them. so is there some other Island force at work or was astral projection among Walt's powers as well? it's not a pressing question that affects the overall story, but it's the only thing i'm still curious about.

and perhaps it may yet be addressed, as EW and TV Guide are reporting that Damon and Carlton are planning to answer a number of unresolved mysteries as bonus material on the season 6 DVD. huzzah!

[Rev. Jordan T. Maxwell]

Lost Missing Pieces. also available on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... ieces&aq=f

Room 23 and The Deal are pertinent to Walt. also notable: Jin Has A Temper Tantrum on the Golf Course for its pure combination of angst and hilarity, Operation: Sleeper and King of the Castle for the awesomeness of Brian K. Vaughan's writing, and So It Begins for its ominous possibilities and how differently it reads depending on if you see Christian as his own ghost or as the Man in Black.

[Jeff]

my only real Walt question anymore is, was that actually Walt in the visions people had of him (Shannon and Sayid when he was wet and talking backwards, Locke after Ben shot him at the Dharma pit)? every other manifestation we've seen has been of the dead...either their actual ghosts, or Smokey posing as them.

I've wondered that, too, Jordan. Totally with you on that one. I also wonder who Kate saw in the L.A. flash-forward when she saw Claire telling her not to take Aaron back to the Island. Isn't that what she said? Not to take Aaron back to the Island? So, who was that? Maybe it was just Kate having a really powerful gut instinct to not take Aaron to the Island. Like it was a psychological thing, and has nothing to do with the Smoke Monster or seeing dead people at all.

[Rev. Jordan T. Maxwell]

my only real Walt question anymore is, was that actually Walt in the visions people had of him (Shannon and Sayid when he was wet and talking backwards, Locke after Ben shot him at the Dharma pit)? every other manifestation we've seen has been of the dead...either their actual ghosts, or Smokey posing as them.

I've wondered that, too, Jordan. Totally with you on that one. I also wonder who Kate saw in the L.A. flash-forward when she saw Claire telling her not to take Aaron back to the Island. Isn't that what she said? Not to take Aaron back to the Island? So, who was that? Maybe it was just Kate having a really powerful gut instinct to not take Aaron to the Island. Like it was a psychological thing, and has nothing to do with the Smoke Monster or seeing dead people at all.

yeah, dream rules seem pretty vague, and possibly separate from ghost rules. and how do you separate out true "vision" dreams from normal everyday dreams? i like the ambiguity, though...somehow, being able to interpret Jin telling Hurley to have a cluckety cluck cluck day whilst standing next to a giant chicken as a prophecy of great mystery and import makes my world a better place...

[jose]

Bill Binder had never seen a single episode of Lost until this past Tuesday night when he started watching the entire series straight through.

Right now, he's in Season Three.

He's keeping notes at http://lost.thetorchtheatre.com (there's also a livestream there usually).

[Michael T]

"I'll Never Be Lost Again"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iggE4ImYwyc

It's worth sitting through all 5+ minutes. Real sentimental, yo.

[Marc Majcher]

Yeah, I'm no Bill Nye or anything, but I'm pretty sure that ashes are the stuff left over from a fire because they won't burn.

Since the level of science presented on the show so far seems to be along the lines of "fuckin' magnets, how do they work?", I really wouldn't give that too much thought. But yeah. And if it was just that the ashes were in the fire, and it was the fire going out that made him disappear, couldn't they just keep adding wood to the fire to keep him around longer? So, yeah. Wouldn't fret.

[Rev. Jordan T. Maxwell]

Yeah, I'm no Bill Nye or anything, but I'm pretty sure that ashes are the stuff left over from a fire because they won't burn.

Since the level of science presented on the show so far seems to be along the lines of "fuckin' magnets, how do they work?", I really wouldn't give that too much thought. But yeah. And if it was just that the ashes were in the fire, and it was the fire going out that made him disappear, couldn't they just keep adding wood to the fire to keep him around longer? So, yeah. Wouldn't fret.

he seemed pretty at peace with going, so that'd be kind of a dick move.

"come on, seriously you guys, can we just...no, don't bring those dry twigs over, i just need to...this is not cool!"

[Rev. Jordan T. Maxwell]

just wanted to post this to get it out of my head and down in some tangible fashion. just a little theorizing on some of the mysteries/questions that are still lingering, two in particular that i've been mulling around kind of found each other in orbit and provided possible answers...

1) Who did the "Kwon" in Jacob's cave refer to?"
2) Why were Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid thrown back in time off of Ajira 316, but not Sun, Ben or Lapidus?

i think it's the same answer to both...activated by the revelation that Kate was still in the running for Candidate. so the four people who WERE thrown back in time were all candidates. Sawyer (a known candidate) and Jin (a potential candidate) were already there with Miles, Juliet and Faraday. which leads me to believe that Jacob and/or the Island were either consolidating their remaining candidates and/or removing them from the immediate board so that they would be safe from the Man in Black's machinations until he enacted his endgame by killing Jacob when they would be needed.

so Jin was the candidate. Sun was left behind because she wasn't. all of which is probably moot now, but fun to think about. :p

[Aden]

so Jin was the candidate. Sun was left behind because she wasn't. all of which is probably moot now, but fun to think about. :p

Also Sun was a mother. That was the reason Jacob gave for having crossed Kate's name off the cave wall... so it seems like it would have ruled out Sun as well.