L O S T fans!

[kristin]

I just got caught up too (after going through the first 3 seasons again with Bryan), both the shows and this thread.

now I am thinking in text form:
The article that Jack was reading that mentioned the coffin dude's death, it didn't seem that big. If there was so much exposure over the "Oceanic 6" and one of them died, wouldn't it have been a bigger deal?

Somebody mentioned something about Sayid working with Ben, and it would be interesting if that's what he was already doing. They didn't get them locked up together for nothing. They probably worked out some stuff then. (or continued some existing stuff?)

so much more... agh...

[HerrHerr]

The article that Jack was reading that mentioned the coffin dude's death, it didn't seem that big. If there was so much exposure over the "Oceanic 6" and one of them died, wouldn't it have been a bigger deal?

I agree with you. I also think that Kate's trial seemed to be smallish and not so media-driven. So, are the Oceanic 6 a big media deal, oh writers of LOST, or are they not. Perhaps it is just a little laziness in the execution of the show. Maybe the writers are playing the flashforwards (and especially the media exposure elements) down so that the arrival of the Oceanic 6 to the world is that much bigger a deal. We are talking about a show that jumps around in time a bunch.

But...yes, back to specifically your coffin death. I still think that it could be Micheal...under an alias. Unless...it's someone like Ben, someone nobody in the "real" world would know well.

[Jeff]

The article that Jack was reading that mentioned the coffin dude's death, it didn't seem that big. If there was so much exposure over the "Oceanic 6" and one of them died, wouldn't it have been a bigger deal?

I agree with you. I also think that Kate's trial seemed to be smallish and not so media-driven. So, are the Oceanic 6 a big media deal, oh writers of LOST, or are they not. Perhaps it is just a little laziness in the execution of the show. Maybe the writers are playing the flashforwards (and especially the media exposure elements) down so that the arrival of the Oceanic 6 to the world is that much bigger a deal. We are talking about a show that jumps around in time a bunch.

But...yes, back to specifically your coffin death. I still think that it could be Micheal...under an alias. Unless...it's someone like Ben, someone nobody in the "real" world would know well.

I don't think there's any equivocation about the Six's media popularity. They're not superstars. They're people who survived a plane crash and were presumed dead. Their exposure would surely be less than that of Anna Nicole Smith, but more than that of, say, Elian Gonzalez. If Kate's trial was more than a few months after their arrival home, it wouldn't necessarily be a Boston Mooninite Dudes level media circus. The story would carry a little less weight because of the public's short attention span. But it would still be big enough for all the cameras to be outside of the courthouse.

Likewise for the dead person, whose death surely takes place well after the trial. I think it's a maybe as to whether or not a death of the one of the Oceanic Six would be a big deal in the media. Maybe the media contacted a few of the Six, discovered that nobody was going to the funeral (for whatever weird reason that they weren't), and decided to just let that story go.

When I saw the coffin for the very first time, my instinct was that it was Walt. But I couldn't make sense out of nobody coming to his funeral. He's such a likable kid.

Later, I thought it was Michael, but something just doesn't sit right with me about it being Michael, which is ultimately why I'm going to get a free milkshake.

If it's Ben, that's kind of like nobody coming to Darth Vader's funeral, and it took place in a ratty part of town, so that's like the Dark Lord of the Sith having a crappy funeral in Mos Eisley, which is only appropriate in one sense, which of course is that Mos Eisley is where Anakin was born as a slave. Then again, Ben has no family. But the guy's got connections. He just seems too evil and powerful to die in the manner of, say, a bitch. If Ben dies, he's gotta die like falling into a volcano or getting sucked into a black hole or something.

Wow, I'm a nerd. It might be Ben.

[HerrHerr]

SPOILER


I AM Ben.

I don't think there's any equivocation about the Six's media popularity. They're not superstars. They're people who survived a plane crash and were presumed dead. Their exposure would surely be less than that of Anna Nicole Smith, but more than that of, say, Elian Gonzalez. If Kate's trial was more than a few months after their arrival home, it wouldn't necessarily be a Boston Mooninite Dudes level media circus. The story would carry a little less weight because of the public's short attention span. But it would still be big enough for all the cameras to be outside of the courthouse.

Are you kidding? Do you watch how 24 hour news stations chew up events for weeks at a time? I think there would be tons of news, a movie, action figures, t-shirts ("I survied the Oceanic crash and all I was left with was this lousy t-shirt"). I mean, do you not understand how popular LOST is?

[Jeff]

SPOILER


I AM Ben.

I don't think there's any equivocation about the Six's media popularity. They're not superstars. They're people who survived a plane crash and were presumed dead. Their exposure would surely be less than that of Anna Nicole Smith, but more than that of, say, Elian Gonzalez. If Kate's trial was more than a few months after their arrival home, it wouldn't necessarily be a Boston Mooninite Dudes level media circus. The story would carry a little less weight because of the public's short attention span. But it would still be big enough for all the cameras to be outside of the courthouse.

Are you kidding? Do you watch how 24 hour news stations chew up events for weeks at a time? I think there would be tons of news, a movie, action figures, t-shirts ("I survied the Oceanic crash and all I was left with was this lousy t-shirt"). I mean, do you not understand how popular LOST is?

I was hoping I'd made it obvious by the names I dropped that I watch a lot of TV news. Do you really think there'd be a movie? Maybe a TV movie. It depends what their story/lie is like. If they just got along okay with each other on the island and stayed alive by hunting and fishing and gardening, well, that's certainly not enough to make a hit TV show out of. And that might be their story. You are surely kidding about action figures! Remember, their survival story is probably kind of boring except for the part that includes them surviving the airplane crash.

[LuBu McJohnson]

*SPOILER* for my own personal life

OK, I have now seen all episodes of LOST and I will now post on this board as though I have been posting here the entire time and will act like my theories are more valid than all of yours.

Actually I don't have much to contribute. Just a couple of things.

Jeff, I think I know why Michael in the coffin doesn't sit well with you. It's TOO easy. And I'm inclined to agree. I feel like the show, on levels that I'm unaware of, has gone out of its way to make me think it is Michael. I think it could be Ben or Juliet or Walt or Charlie(Why? Because shut up. That's why.)

Also, I had to watch "The Constant" on Tivo. And the episode that was Tivo'ed was airing right before a new episode was coming on. it was this weird "Pop-up video" version of the episode, which TOTALLY gave away Desmond's time jumping before it should have. ghay. Anyways, the pop-ups pointed out a couple of things that could be worth nothing.

A. Alvar Hanso's distant relative was captain of the Black Pearl. I don't think that's useful information, myself. The second thing though, is that

B. The purple radiation stuff that Farraday used on the mouse to get it "unstuck" in time was exactly the same color as the color of the sky over the island when the hatch was destroyed.

And that's the info I've got to contribute.

[Asaf]

I was hoping I'd made it obvious by the names I dropped that I watch a lot of TV news. Do you really think there'd be a movie? Maybe a TV movie. It depends what their story/lie is like. If they just got along okay with each other on the island and stayed alive by hunting and fishing and gardening, well, that's certainly not enough to make a hit TV show out of. And that might be their story. You are surely kidding about action figures! Remember, their survival story is probably kind of boring except for the part that includes them surviving the airplane crash.

1. The defending attorney made a point during his questioning of Jack, that the jury probably knows the story of how they met "unless they don't read the paper, watch TV or look at the internet." It was obviously well covered, not just the event, but certain details.

2. Jack's response show that their survival story was beefed up, probably with interesting details that made it more dramatic than it already was (which was pretty damn dramatic). The fact that only 6 people survived a plane crash and were stranded on an island for god knows how long is a HUGE story. And would probably stay in the public consciousness for a while.

[Jeff]

I was hoping I'd made it obvious by the names I dropped that I watch a lot of TV news. Do you really think there'd be a movie? Maybe a TV movie. It depends what their story/lie is like. If they just got along okay with each other on the island and stayed alive by hunting and fishing and gardening, well, that's certainly not enough to make a hit TV show out of. And that might be their story. You are surely kidding about action figures! Remember, their survival story is probably kind of boring except for the part that includes them surviving the airplane crash.

1. The defending attorney made a point during his questioning of Jack, that the jury probably knows the story of how they met "unless they don't read the paper, watch TV or look at the internet." It was obviously well covered, not just the event, but certain details.

2. Jack's response show that their survival story was beefed up, probably with interesting details that made it more dramatic than it already was (which was pretty damn dramatic). The fact that only 6 people survived a plane crash and were stranded on an island for god knows how long is a HUGE story. And would probably stay in the public consciousness for a while.

We'll see, Asaf, but I think your evidence is spurious, at least if you're trying to counter what I'm saying. For #1, of course everybody would know how they met. They were survivors of the same plane crash. That's how they met. For #2, Jack's response showed that the part about the crash was beefed up. He explained that Kate heroically tried to revive a dying crash survivor. I was saying that, yeah, the Oceanic 6 were made into household names, but only to a certain extent that we've learned so far. We also don't have any evidence that their post-crash story was embellished beyond what people might expect about people stranded on a deserted island. Unfortunately, I've forgotten by this point if or why it matters in this Lost theory discussion exactly how famous they were. Oh wait, I remember. Like, Chris was wondering if maybe the writers were being lazy. I say no, I don't think they were.

[HerrHerr]

Welcome to LOST Jastroch and Bryan!

[kbadr]

Maybe it's Sayid in the coffin and no one's there because he's changed his identity to slip into his new career as a contract killer, but Jack somehow figured out who was in the coffin.

It really could be anyone.

I don't much enjoy speculating about Lost. I'll just watch the episodes and see what happens, rather than come up with elaborate explanations and expectations in my head.

[HerrHerr]

SPOLIERISH IDEAS, PERHAPS?







The show is all about cons, it really is. Not just Sawyer and Locke's dad, but Ben in a big way and pretty much everyone else. Secrets revealed constantly. When LOST is really good, it reveals something that we didn't come to expect. For instance, I'd be surprised if Micheal isn't on the ship. It's one of those surprises that is cool because we get to see Micheal again, but what bearing would that really have on the show's overall story. In my opinion it's really small potatos...a way to stae our appetite for the time being.

Remember the Long Con? Well, the island is really freakin' special in a lot of ways we don't fully understand and in some ways we sorta understand. We know about its healing properties, fertitlity, etc...So, here go some ideas....




What if Widmore is working with Ben? The island is so damn special that Ben has enlisted the help of Widmore to bring in all his money and resources to help him either exploit it in some way OR to realize its full potential (and maybe never fully letting Widmore in on things). And this relationship could always be controlled by Ben--so maybe Ben is conning (manipulating) Widmore. One of Ben's tasks is to eliminate Widmore's competition with the help of Sayid.

I mean, Ben is the ultimate mind-game player, is he not? He's constantly scaring the crap out of people with threats ("They are coming to kill everyone.") or blowing their minds. And we get caught up in Ben's games too because he is the key to the narrative, the key to the island, the key to...

Here's another...

What if Penny is either working with her dad OR the ship is under Penny's command. I hate to think that Penny might be the villian...so, either they will blow my mind with this as a reveal OR she actually is trying to help Desmond and the others. I prefer the notion that Penny is working against her father's wishes, but...

I'm just trying to think of things in a big picture sort of way and not get LOST in all the cool little reveals that once would have been big reveals in the show. In order to heighten the show, the big reveals need to get bigger and bigger becausse the audience gets accustomed to (and eventually bored or just passive) how the show plays out.

Maybe God will have a cameo in the season finale...

[LuBu McJohnson]

SPOLIERISH IDEAS, PERHAPS?







The show is all about cons, it really is. Not just Sawyer and Locke's dad, but Ben in a big way and pretty much everyone else.

Yeah, I get the feeling that Sawyer is gonna get screwed over somehow. Screwed over royally.

[HerrHerr]

SPOLIERISH IDEAS, PERHAPS?







The show is all about cons, it really is. Not just Sawyer and Locke's dad, but Ben in a big way and pretty much everyone else.

Yeah, I get the feeling that Sawyer is gonna get screwed over somehow. Screwed over royally.

Maybe a little kharma action for the bad people? Kate stays at home. Sawyer conned into suicide. Walt gets a horrible case of acne.

I dig this idea.

ALSO....IS LOST ON THURSDAY THIS WEEK OR FRIDAY? OUR TV SCHEDULE GUIDE SAYS FRIDAY...

[Jeff]

it's on thursday.

[Jeff]

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