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Asaf · Post by **Asaf** » February 14th, 2007, 12:42 pm

Personally I would have liked to see the headliner play on Wednesday night and be the only venue running. That would attract a lot of attention to the festival as a whole and do it on a night that traditionally needs help getting audience. Why should a headliner get a prime time weekend slot when they are already guaranteed to bring in audience? If OoB gets that level of performer (and I have some names and numbers from helping DSI find a replacement for Horatio Sans) then that is the tactic I would suggest.

DollarBill · Post by **DollarBill** » February 14th, 2007, 1:38 pm

That is interesting, Andrea. I've often wondered why the women tennis pros only play 3 set matches while the men play 5. The women get payed the same as the men in a lot of the tournaments now. It's obvious to me that the women could go 5 sets if they had to. I think it would weed out some of the competition that doesn't work as hard on their fitness (serena williams), and it adds a whole other level of athleticism to the game. The women just don't get really tired. I love watching the 5th set of men's match when one guy, who might not be so finesse, wins out from sheer stamina and will power.

Sorry. That is my tennis rant that nobody cares about.

ChrisTrew.Com · Post by **ChrisTrew.Com** » February 14th, 2007, 2:53 pm

denouncing womanhood.

ChrisTrew.Com · Post by **ChrisTrew.Com** » February 14th, 2007, 2:54 pm

the above was TAMI NELSON not CHRIS TREW since i am on chris trews computer and not tami nelsons.

thank you.

shando · Post by **shando** » February 14th, 2007, 3:01 pm

ChrisTrew.Com wrote:denouncing womanhood.

Welcome to the club apparently. Thanks for contributing so meaningfully to the discussion.

taminelson · Post by **taminelson** » February 14th, 2007, 3:03 pm

justin york and tami nelson are now the same person.

jami nork.

improvstitute · Post by **improvstitute** » February 14th, 2007, 3:24 pm

Asaf wrote:Personally I would have liked to see the headliner play on Wednesday night and be the only venue running. That would attract a lot of attention to the festival as a whole and do it on a night that traditionally needs help getting audience. Why should a headliner get a prime time weekend slot when they are already guaranteed to bring in audience? If OoB gets that level of performer (and I have some names and numbers from helping DSI find a replacement for Horatio Sans) then that is the tactic I would suggest.

That is so clever it just might work. I hope there are no meadlin' kids around to keep us from gettin' away with it!!! Seriously, I like the idea of a Wednesday (or Thursday) headliner. This makes sense to me. We are talking about butts in seats on a night where we have traditionally had fewer butts in seats. It would be a great launch to the festival. Basically everything you said already in a very similar way.

In short. I agree.

beardedlamb · Post by **beardedlamb** » February 14th, 2007, 7:01 pm

you also don't want to risk paying johnny sweetpants to come out and do his show on a wednesday and john q public doesn't show up. then, how do you build sweet momentum and excitement for the "climax" of the best stuff on the weekend? and if you've spent all your dough on sweetpants, how do you sell johnny nobodypants?

last year, we tried to put great local groups with audience followings on wednesday for the same reason. using local draws on early days worked well i thought. we've done that for years actually.
i will also say that, were there audience to support a headliner at a big venue vs. lesser knowns on smaller stages, like say on a Saturday, we would most likely do it. the tipping point is if there is enough interest to not have people playing to no one.

i played my solo show in a 300 seat theatre at a festival that had one other venue going across town. there were maybe 15 audience members at my show which had two other groups, one of which had zac from DSI in it, and when i went to the other venue right after, there were about 60 people crammed into a tiny space and that place was on fire with some serious energy. so that sucked for me and my show.
the jury used to play CIF back when there were 6 venues running concurrently at different locations all over town for the whole weekend. we had 12 people one year (a sunday), and 15 people the next year (a friday.)
the whole process is a bit of a mystery but being on the losing end of the audience draw stick enough times has me thinking "err on the side of huge sold out shows," rather than folks non-plussed about their festival experience.

so, as oob grows, there will be more competition and more concurrent shows. we're just growing it very slowly.

kbadr · Post by **kbadr** » February 14th, 2007, 7:08 pm

You can't put a headliner on a non-weekend until the event in question is so huge that people will come out during the week when they normally wouldn't bother to do so.

andrea · Post by **andrea** » February 14th, 2007, 10:06 pm

the book i was referencing above and using to hijack this post was "The Frailty Myth: Redefining the Physical Potential of Women and Girls" by collette dowling.

York99 · Post by **York99** » February 15th, 2007, 9:35 am

andrea wrote:the book i was referencing above and using to hijack this post was "The Frailty Myth: Redefining the Physical Potential of Women and Girls" by collette dowling.

I bet Dowling writes like a girl.

Jessica · Post by **Jessica** » February 15th, 2007, 10:58 am

I would LOVE examples.

Okay, you did ask for this:

Katie Hnida was the first woman to play and then score in a NCAA division 1 football team. This was for New Mexico. She had to leave her first college of Colorado because her teammates groped her in the huddle, and otherwise sexually harassed her, ending in rape at one point. Fortunately, Arizona was much better. Wikipida has a fairly full story here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Hnida

For Baseball we have Julie Croteau who was an MVP player on the Virgina Giants and then St. Mary's College of Maryland â€“ the Seahawks. This is after several battles in court to play at the high school level â€“ which she lost. She eventually decided to stop playing ball, not because of the harassment that she experienced and her team mates throwing pitches at her head but she needed time to think about the difficulty for women in sports â€“ that women â€œare dissuaded, derailed, and thwarted every step of the way.â€

shando · Post by **shando** » February 15th, 2007, 11:04 am

Plus, Justin, I know these aren't the kind of examples you're looking for, but I know some female rugby and lacrosse players who could jack you up but good.

Mo Daviau · Post by **Mo Daviau** » February 15th, 2007, 11:22 am

Julie Croteau coached at Smith when I was there.

York99 · Post by **York99** » February 15th, 2007, 11:44 am

Harassment will happen. It happens to guys, too. I don't think that it's the reason why women's and men's sports are seperated. I don't think it's even much of a discussion.

I'm not starting a battle of the sexes here. I believe in equality as much as anyone. I'm just saying that if you eliminated the WNBA and had the women competing with the men, you would see the number of professional female basketball players dwindle to close to zero. This would NOT be due to a lack of mental toughness. It would have to do with the simple physiological fact that men are, on average, larger and stronger and faster. Fact. Look it up.

I could have been practicing basketball from the day I was born -- including strength and speed workouts -- and Shaq could have quit after high school. I would still NEVER beat Shaq in a game of one on one. Why? He is a mountain. He is 19 inches taller than I. Add genetic build, a huge wingspan... you get the picture.

I'm ok with this. Why? I can improvise better than he can.

Austin Improv

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