My church was pretty chill, actually. Methodists are much more New Testament than Old these days.Rev. Jordan T. Maxwell wrote:most of the anecdotes i've heard you guys talk about your childhood church experiences have sounded like they've approached God as an object of fear, submission and obedience.
FUCK, I'm about to go off. I'll try to remain calm but when I'm forced to think about horrific things I get overtaken by emotion. What the fuck have we learned from [insert horribly graphic depiction of genocide, rape, murder, apathy, slavery, mass destruction here]? What does someone learn from seeing [graphic description of a loved one being violated]? I just read a story where a man in Africa was forced at gunpoint to rape his own daughter. When he refused he was mutilated as punishment. What did anyone learn from that? How did someone grow from that? Did the daughter learn about the glory of human existence, the transcendent glory of God, the beauty of Christ's sacrifice on the cross? Did the soldiers who initiated this atrocity suddenly decide they were wrong? And if they did realize they were monsters, how could they ever atone for it?! The only responsible thing would be for them to take their murder tools, put them under their own jaws and blow their heads off. The reporters who were covering the story left and a week later the village was MASS RAPED. If God had the power to stop this from happening, then where the FUCK was he? Why would he create such flawed creatures and then step back and let them run wild? Does he like it? Does he disapprove? Is he powerless to stop it? WHY WOULD HE CREATE US?! And why would you hold him in any esteem? Because he was nice to you? I just don't get it! By that logic I should beat my kids so they'll have the tools to learn and grow. I'm doing them a disservice if I don't! The mental gymnastics involved to resolve worshiping such a cruel/impotent/flawed entity must be more exhausting than an Olympic floor routine.Rev. Jordan T. Maxwell wrote:i don't believe God is cruel, in any aspect. i think we are cruel to each other, and God allows it because that's the only way free will can work. and the pain and strife are tools for us to learn and grow.
Dammit, I was done with this thread and now I'm super pissed. Sorry, Jordan, I know you didn't mean to set me off, but that reasoning just plain infuriates me. GRRR I WANT TO TRADE CHOPS WITH RIC FLAIR NOW!!!